Has your horse had an MRI? I would love to hear the results.

In todays Horse Mysteries Solved podcast, I’m sharing MRI results on a lame horse.

Why would it matter?

Because we discuss:

-Were the results helpful?
-What could have been done?
-Why is the horse still lame?

Plus:

-Pros and cons of MRIs
-Why MRIs can make you sick

Links Mentioned:
www.TuckerBioKinetic.com

Summary:
Summary by AI:
Dr. Renee Tucker shares a personal story about the limitations of traditional diagnostic methods like MRIs in veterinary medicine. She recounts a case where a horse named Hannah had lameness issues, leading to an MRI that revealed a swollen ligament in the fetlock. However, further examination by Dr. Tucker revealed that the primary issue was actually a misaligned hip joint, not the fetlock. After realigning the hip, the horse’s lameness disappeared immediately, highlighting the importance of finding the root cause of the problem rather than relying solely on diagnostic tests.

Dr. Tucker cautions against the potential risks of MRIs, including side effects from the magnetic field and contrast materials. She suggests exploring alternative modalities like Tucker Biokinetic Technique (TBT), which focuses on energy medicine and can help identify the primary cause of issues through yes/no questions. Dr. Tucker emphasizes the changing landscape of healing towards energy-based approaches and encourages listeners to consider these options instead of relying solely on traditional diagnostic methods.

Another video about gadolinium:
https://youtu.be/CvB1l3VkFZg?si=as51A4-dTB58Q5ny

Transcript:
Renee (00:00)
Hello, friends. Dr. Renee Tucker here. Today, I wanted to tell you a story from the field, so a real-life story about what happened and how that is related to MRIs. Well, back in the day, when I was a young veterinarian, I used to feel sorry for myself, really, because there were not MRI machines around a lot. And still, you have to drive fairly far. But back then, if you could even find one in your state, you had to drive far. And they were very expensive. So I would run across these very subtle lamenesses, where you can see it, but not really. Or sometimes there’s no head bob whatsoever, and you’re just guessing. And I thought, Oh, if only there was an MRI and my people could afford it, then we’d have all the answers and I could fix things. But then, one day, I got my wish. I was called out to see a about 13, 14-year-old part, beautiful mayor named Hannah. And she had been lame at this point about six months. She had already seen two veterinarians, and they’d already gone through the full workup, and she’d already tried resting a couple of months, and X-rays, and ultrasounds, and flexion tests, and blocking, and The blocking, the blocks where you put it in their foot and it makes it numb to see if that’s the problem, it worked.

Renee (01:39)
I know, like 50% better. So not great, but a little bit. Eventually, both of these other veterinarians told my client, Terry, to take Hannah for an MRI if she ever wanted an answer because she had already tried resting and they don’t really have any other answers if they can’t find the problem. So that makes sense. Because because Terry wanted to take Hannah the Horse Grand Prix that year. She’d been working so hard, and she’s a trainer. She took the horse for the MRI. They had to haul four hours, one way, and then do the MRI, and this was on the right hind. When I had originally watched her walk, when I saw her, this was after the MRI, after two more months of resting because the MRI was in conclusion except for one thing, which I’ll tell you in a second. I saw her, and she was on a lunge line, and she moved really pretty nicely. But to the right, she was short striding in the right hind, just a couple inches, and not with any real head bob, any real hip hike. If you weren’t staring at her right hind’s leg, it looked fine.

Renee (02:56)
This is crazy, but yes. Terry could certainly feel it and didn’t want to be injuring her horse if there was something that could be fixed. That’s awesome. She had done the veterinarians, done the MRI, done the two more months of rest recommended because the only thing found on the MRI was at the right fetlock, and it was a ligament. I’m trying to remember the exact words that it said on the form. It was like enlarged and inflamed right fetlock collateral ligament. It was just the one side, just on the right, so the outside of the right rear fetlock. Okay, now that you care about exactly where it was, but the point is, they found a little something-something. They said, Hey, this is swollen and inflamed. We’re pretty sure. You better just do what? Rest the horse. At this point, Terry’s patience is getting thin because she had already rested the horse on the advice of the first two veterinarians, and that didn’t really seem to help much at all. But she did, I think, even more strict rest, like stall rest instead of paddock rest. Nonetheless, it’s six months later, the horse is still exactly the same amount of lameness as she was six months ago.

Renee (04:13)
By the way, at this point, Terry is not only frustrated because of her horse, but because she’s already paid, I think it was close to $7,000. And this was going on 20 years ago. Sometimes people don’t do MRIs because, gosh, you could buy another horse for that amount of money. I mean, that sounds terrible, but facts are facts. Expense is expense. So I looked at the horse, and because I had been sitting there complaining about the lag of MRIs, I thought, An MRI This is wonderful. I will know right where it is, and then I’ll be able to fix it. And so I had this ligament that swollen and inflamed on MRI. I thought, I thought. I thought, I went ahead and told the client, I said, This is great. I’m sure that your fet lock is just misaligned, and all I have to do is realign it, and then it can start healing. Because if it’s not aligned properly, then it can’t heal right. If it’s tweaked or crooked, then there’s going to be more strain on one tendon than the other. Terry thought, Okay, that seems reasonable. I went to look at the horse’s fet lock, and I pick it up, and I move it through range of motion, which is absolutely perfect.

Renee (05:35)
I thought, Oh, okay. Then I thought, Okay, okay. Maybe it’s in the sesamoids, right? The two little bones that are right behind the fetlock. They’re fine. I’m like, I’m going to check the pastor and the coffin bone. I’m looking all over. None of this lower leg stuff has any problem that I can find. Terry is looking at me and I’m like, Oh, crap. Why didn’t I look at the horse first and then talk about how wonderful this is going to be? Yeah, that’s my life. Okay, I learned. I learned slowly. Long story short, I checked everywhere. What I did find, though, was the hip, the hip joint itself was really misaligned. I said, Terry, I got this. This hip joint itself is really misaligned. We do have some other things, sacrolyac, tight lumbar, but I think those are compensating for the hip. I said, And Terry, I think this fetlock ligament issue is also compensating for the hip. She said, Well, okay, we’ll just do as you can. Let’s see. So I aligned all that, straightened it all out. She was doing the thoracic lumbar wiggle beautifully. So then, just on a whim, we took her out, back out to the arena where I could see her walk and trot.

Renee (06:48)
Guys, that short stride totally went away. And that’s one of the reasons I remember this case from 20 years ago, because I was not expecting that. I usually expect to work on things, and the body takes a few days to process and detox if needed and strengthen up. But this was right away. Immediately, the short stride was gone. The book, Terry and I were just looking at each other like, Well, should we What was this? I mean, I would be wondering, too, is it going to keep holding? And I said, Look, Terry, let’s just give it some time. I think that Hannah is now moving properly, and she needs a little time, nice and easy work to get her moving and stretching like she used to before this all started. I recheck her in 30 days. She’s still fine. She never took a lame step after that. He said, Okay, so this is not about, Oh, Renee did something. Okay, and it worked. One time. All right. This is more about what I’d love for you to remember, if you haven’t heard me say this already, is that by the time we can see or feel any oftenness or lameness or things that just aren’t quite right, that’s when the compensations are giving out.

Renee (08:12)
That fetlock ligament, which she found on the MRI, was in fact, inflamed and enlarged because it was compensating for the hip. Whether or not you decided to do an MRI, that’s one thing you want to in mind. Or frankly, any diagnostic test. What are you checking for? Are you checking to see where’s the compensation? Compensations are often painful for sure, and we do want to help get rid of pain. But where’s the real problem? One thing that we really talk about in TBT University is what’s the primary? What is causing the problem? Because it’s usually not the compensation. I mean, Terry spent, like I said, up to $7,000 just to find out where the compensation was. Well, luckily, we got to fix that one. So that’s good. Sometimes things go on for so long. It gets really tough to find the primary and fix the primary. But it all can be done with TBT if you have enough time. And by that, I mean, if a horse has been lame for 15 years, it can take a while to fix all the layers of compensations. And sometimes when the horse is 30 years old, you’re running out of time.

Renee (09:37)
But other than that, all as well, you can fix pretty much everything, which is great. What I want to really stress, again, I’m so tired of you telling me to find the why, Renee. Yes, I’m telling you to find the why. All right, two other things about MRIs. If you are ever considering them. One is they are not innocuous. That means there are side effects to MRIs. You’re thinking, No. I’m thinking, Yes, dude. Mri means magnetic resonance imaging. That big MRI machine that they put people in, and it’s very loud and very cold, that’s a huge, huge magnet What’s it magneting? You or your horse, and it was magneting the actual hydrogen atom, which have a positive like a battery. They have a positive. They’re a positive atom. So they get pulled over. I should say ion. Sorry, chemistry. It’s a long time ago. Anyways, those hydrogens get pulled over to one side and then let go, snap like a and they bing, bing, bing around. And this is how your MRI picture is made. By pulling all the hydrogen ions of your body over to one side with a magnet and letting go multiple hundreds of times.

Renee (11:18)
So who thinks this is a good idea? Not me. In fact, it has been shown that some people will get sick from this. They just don’t feel like themselves. Sometimes it’s temporary. I’ve had people like, I just feel so weird. I can’t articulate it. I don’t feel like me. I feel discombobulated. And it’s been years now. The other thing to know about MRIs is sometimes I want to do an MRI with contrast material. This is where they inject something into your body so that they can see better on the MRI. I don’t really know how they decide what to try, but currently, they use gadolinium, which is a metal, a liquid metal. That’s uncool to have running around your veins, huh? And Sometimes they use the derivatives of that or derivatives of barium, also a metal. That’s probably not a good idea. Now, listen, I know that sometimes we get stuck. When you’re at a place, things hurt so much or you’re so sick, you got to do what you got to do. So I am never trying to tell people they are bad for doing something. I’m just trying to get you the information just in case you’re deciding or in case you actually do feel sick.

Renee (12:47)
Who was that? That big, strong movie star guy. Chuck Norris. Yes. Chuck Norris, if you don’t know, he did a lot of martial arts movies. He was always awesome and he always wanted, so he’s the cool guy. Anyways, he’s a little bit older now, but his wife got very, very ill from MRIs, and it took quite a while to figure it out. She got an MRI, I believe, initially She checked something about rheumatoid arthritis. I don’t know why, but there you go. They had used this contrast stuff, gadolinium. Well, eight days later or something, she’s in the emergency room because of so much pain. She says she is literally just burning on the inside, just burning. And later on, it felt like ants crawling all over. And because they’re trying to figure this out, they do another MRI with more contrast stuff. And she’s just getting sicker and sicker. She said, this is on the YouTube, on a news channel, she said, I think it was MBC. Anyways, she’s telling the whole story, and she got sicker and sicker until She couldn’t swallow. Her muscles were atrophying. Her ribs were all stuck together like glue.

Renee (14:06)
She had to abdominally breathe. It was horrible. She spent five months in an integrative medicine clinic, five months, with Chuck Norris on the couch with her the whole time. I mean, he is awesome. Just trying to actually chelate and detox her from all that gadolinium. She would have died had they not figured that out until someone says, No more MRIs. I am sick. Someone else help me. And they found someone to help her. So my point is twofold. Try to avoid MRIs. Say, Well, Renee, plenty of people do it. They do. They really do. Do you know that the X-ray was invented in 1895? And then it was about 1920, where they finally officially realized there were problems with X-rays and instituted all of the lead vests to protect us from X-rays. That’s about 25 years. The MRI, I think I looked it up, it was first made in 1977, but was not in widespread use like we’re used to now till the 1990s. We’re looking at right in that 25, a year time frame, where some people know that something’s going on with MRIs, but it’s still not well-observed and documented. So if you have to Obviously, I’m going to say you have to, but you don’t have to.

Renee (15:49)
Hopefully, that made sense. What I mean by that is if you’re at a point and your doctor or your vet says, Hey, we need an MRI. You know what? That might give you some good information. So it’s going to be obviously your choice. Please take into account that it’s moving all the hydrogen atoms of your body around. And if they use contrast, they’re sticking something that makes you ill inside of you. To my knowledge, they’re not doing that with horses yet. If anyone has had contrast material in an MRI with their horse, please let me know. Try to avoid them, the MRIs, because they’re not They’re not at all innocuous. Instead, there’s other choices, guys. There’s choices of alternative medicine, lots of modalities, integrative medicine, holistic, all types of ways to go instead of continually following traditional medicine. The MRI is just an example of traditional medicine where we love technology. I mean, it is cool. I got to see my client’s MRI with that horse, and I thought, This is great. I can see everything here. This is so wonderful. But I didn’t know at the time that there was anything potentially negative with MRIs.

Renee (17:14)
That was when I first started realizing that, yeah, I have something in an MRI which costs thousands of dollars, but that’s not the problem. Keep that in mind. Now, at this point, I realize you might be frustrated with me talking and say, Renee, I can’t find the problem. My vet can’t find the problem. I don’t know what the problem is. Guys, besides many alternative modalities, there is mine, TBT, Tucker Biokinetic Technique. You can learn it. Let me give you an example. My prerequisite course is called What Does My Horse Want? It’s just energy. The fact that we are positive and negative energy is just like a battery. And yes and no, those questions work like a battery. I know it doesn’t make sense. That’s why there’s a course. But here’s my point. Let’s just pretend for a moment, shall we, that Terry knew how to do yes and no questions because she took my course. She could say to herself, remember, yes and no questions, it takes a minute to best phrase them. She She would ask, Is my horse’s primary problem for this lameness I see in the Fetlock area? And she would have gotten a no Because that’s not the primary cause of her lameness.

Renee (18:50)
And then she could have gone up the leg and said, Well, okay, is my horse’s primary cause of lameness in this leg in the Hawk? Yes or no? Is it the stifle? Yes or no? Is it the hip? Oh, ding, ding, ding. It’s the hip. What the heck? What can I do about the hip? Then you have plenty of alternative modalities. Certainly, TBT can take care of that. But you have better options than to just keep going with the diagnostics because they tend to run into a dead end or they give you the answer for the compensation. So please try to do that. The world is changing. We are really running into a dead end with diagnostics and tests. When they don’t have an answer, they do them all over again. Great. They just run up the bill, not on purpose. It’s just because they’re lost and they’re hoping maybe this time the test will tell them something different. But the world is changing. We’re changing over to energy-related stuff. As I’ve been saying, computers are going to quantum computers. Banking is going to a quantum system. Healing, I believe, is going to more energy type…

Renee (20:07)
I can’t really call it medicine. What would I call that? Let’s just go with energy medicine because I can’t think of anything right now. So, yeah, join us. We’re going this way. The other way is a dead end. In the maze of healing, traditional medicine has an endpoint. We want to keep going so we can find exactly where’s the problem and then fix that. Thank you for listening. Please let me know if you have any questions about MRIs or anything like that, and I’ll talk to you guys next time.

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